Matthew Freeman is a playwright and director whose work is often steeped in surreal and magical imagery. He has written numerous plays including That Which Isn't, When Is A Clock, and The Listeners. He’s a MacDowell Colony Fellow and a current resident playwright at New Dramatists. He also happens to be Pam’s husband. On this episode, he discusses being in spiritually mixed marriage, crafting a love ritual, and the relationship between theatre and magic.  Our sponsors for this episode are The Conjured Saint, Zouz Incense, Chase and Scout, and Mithras Candle.