Host Jeffrey Zeldman chats with front-end developer extraordinaire Brad Frost, author of the new book Atomic Design. In a freewheeling romp through a wonderland of design and technology references, the two web pros discuss Pattern Lab and style guides, being there for the iPad launch, working with big brands, how to say no and make the client happy you said it, avoiding antipatterns, mobile versus “the real web” in 2009, dressing for success, contributing to open source projects, building a community, the early days of Brad’s career, and that new book of his.