Former New York Times columnist William C. Rhoden joins JJ Redick for a candid conversation about his career, turning the page on journalism and getting refocused and prepared for a new chapter in his life. Rhoden also talks about the current state of race relations in the United States and JJ reveals how an anthropology class at Duke introduced him to Rhoden's writing. Here are some key moments:

2:48: Four-on-Four: Redick’s favorite novels.

5:42: Rhoden on leaving The New York Times to “refocus.”

8:55: Rhoden’s podcast and his experience with the medium.

14:25: Redick becoming a fan of Rhoden's while writing papers in college about 1960s Olympians Tommie Smith and John Carlos.

18:00: How influential black athletes during the late '60s shaped Rhoden’s ideology.

23:33: The necessity of protesting to bring social change.

28:44: The impact of athletes using their platform to discuss social issues.

35:31: How the ongoing conversation about racism will have a positive impact on the country.

42:53: What does the country look like when the problem is rectified?

46:18: The "plantation mentality" players face when they switch teams in free agency and the unfairness of the draft.

54:50: The lack of black executives at major corporations and in front offices.Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices