This week Harto is joined by very special guest Jack Conte! Who is Jack Conte you ask? Well, he's a musician, entrepreneur, and film maker. Oh - he's also the CEO of Patreon. And he has a beard. As such, he is very qualified to discuss creative business with Hannah! Pull up a chair and pull back the curtain on the nitty gritty of making money from your creative endeavors. Turns out it's not all rainbow lattes and ukulele solos. Luckily, Jack sheds some light on the communication techniques he uses to be the best leader he can be.