In episode 20, Dan chats with Alice Lee, an independent San Francisco-based illustrator and designer who loves drawing and telling clever stories. She's also part of a studio of artists known as the 1099 Group. Before going independent, she was the second illustrator at Dropbox.

In this episode, we talk about how she transitioned from product designer into illustration, the pros and cons of working remotely, why she thinks of her career as a garden, and more. This episode is brought to you by FreshBooks.