Senator Richard J. Durbin spent 16 years trying to pass immigration legislation in Congress. It failed under President George W. Bush. It failed under President Obama. Could the decision to end the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals program bring legislation under President Trump? We hear from Mr. Durbin, whom our colleague Yamiche Alcindor interviewed the day DACA was rescinded. Guest: Sheryl Gay Stolberg, who covers Congress for The Times and has a long history of writing about the Dream Act. For more information on today’s episode, visit nytimes.com/thedaily.