Keith: [00:00:00] Hey guys, today, we're going to talk about thinking outside the box. And when I say thinking outside the box, getting outside of the box more like it max bean or house a box, be in our house, it's get up off the couch and get outside. It's a great way to relieve stress and in the time of COVID or flu or anything else breathing fresh air just in general.Good for you. And at the Joe: time of this recording, it's fall. Finally. Keith: Exactly. Getting out when it's when the temperatures are right Time to put the pumpkin on everything. Exactly. The pumpkin in your coffee, pumpkin, you can rub it on your body. Every everywhere you look, it's pumpkin-flavored something.Pumpkins just fear fall. I think they are scared for sure. Yeah. So getting outside in the fall, [00:01:00] getting outside in the spring just creating a space an outdoor room, basically. I think is important someplace where you can get out, and you can really enjoy life. And do you know, light gardening sometimes?Being outside doesn't have to be yard work and hard work. Sitting in a chair, pulling a few weeds, having a cup of coffee, sitting down in the evening, having a cocktail. Joe: You mentioned in an earlier podcast the Japanese saying of bathing yourself in green. And there's something to like just a peaceful state of mind for when I go sit outside, and I can see all the plants in the backyard, and everything's green everywhere.It is just a lot more peaceful. Keith: it is for sure. And it doesn't take a lot of time to get those rewards. A small stroll through the backyard or sit outside for a few minutes. This time of year, we'll get our fire pit going.And I'm burning pine and sometimes just twigs and sticks and pine cones that are out in the yard. So sometimes it's not an Oak hardwood-based fire. So sometimes it, it's a fire that burned for 15 minutes, you sit there and have a cocktail or have a cup of coffee or something and It's really [00:02:00] relaxing to have Joe: a couple of guys over.And I like to call it, offer up burnt offerings as a friend of mine used to say a little bonfire in front of your mouth. Exactly. Then a Keith: campfire. Yeah. And if you're going to be smoky, you might as well have a cigar. Yeah. Yup. Absolutely. Sometimes creating that space, and when you think about it from a room perspective, it doesn't have to be. It could be your straight up the full backyard, a couple of chairs in front of a fire pit.All you need. But sometimes creating a room-based feeling. You've got this space. It's totally private screen plannings on one side so that you're not seeing that neighbor add an offense or an, or a trellis and some vines. So that you actually create a small intimate space that you can invite people into, or you can go out and have a little sanity from your wife, from your kids or your neighbors and your job, what are some Joe: good growing vines that make sense that won't take over your entire yard?Keith: Kudzu, no katsu now that's the one that does take over the neighborhood, Joe: [00:03:00] my entire backyard. And it's climbing in my trees. And I had some guys over, and we were smoking cigars, and one of them was the head of the. Neighborhood HOA. And he was like. You should really trim those. Those are going to kill your trees.So now my trees are covered in a vine that is dead leaves in the middle of like perfectly everything else is Keith: green and terrible. Yeah. So there's all the calamitous are nice. They bloom in the spring and summertime. It's a nice small vine. There's an evergreen Clematis. That's more medium to large.It's got a nice tropical evergreen folly. It's one of my favorites. And then it blooms in the spring. It's got one-inch white flour. That's fragrant. And usually, when somebody has one, and it blooms, we'll sell one to their neighbors because the fragrance is so nice. And it wafts over into the neighbor's yard.It's that large of a plant. Do you need to keep Joe: them a certain distance from y