Michael Kruger and Dan Doriani discuss the signs and dangers of pastoral burnout, the importance of accountability in church structures to protect God's people, and ways to support and heal communities affected by spiritual abuse.They emphasize our need to acknowledge our leaders' flaws and to create safe and honest environments where elders and staff can share their concerns without fear of retaliation. Their conversation ends on the crucial role of a positive church culture in supporting healthy ministry—cultivating joy among team members and encouraging them to use their unique gifts and talents to serve others.Watch this discussion on YouTube.