Welcome to this special one-off collab with the Non-toxic Podcast! Huge thanks to Daniel Penny for inviting Matti & I on the show!From the manosphere to the atmosphere, Non-toxic is a podcast devoted to understanding the ways masculinity and the climate crisis intersect. Join us for conversations with experts, journalists, and regular guys on topics ranging from how to blow up a pipeline to why incels are obsessed with alphas to why you should consider getting buried in a mycelium coffin. Hosted by critic and journalist Daniel Waite Penny and environmental reporter Andrew Lewis.In this episode of Non-toxic, we're talking with activist Amanda Sukenick and philosopher Matti Häyry about the state of antinatalist thinking, exploring the arguments about risk and the potential for suffering that have come to animate a certain corner of the "doomer" climate conversation.This is the second in a two part series on climate babies. Last week, we talked to Sian Norris about far-right efforts to roll back women's bodily autonomy in order to increase populations of white Americans and Europeans and keep out people from the Global South. This week, we're thinking about the other side of the climate baby coin—from pronatalists to antinatalists—who argue humanity should cease to exist completely.To hear a slightly longer version of this episode, click here!: https://open.spotify.com/episode/5fhI0Blk2theof0zHS5HoeNon-toxic Spotify:  https://open.spotify.com/show/1b8PBJq92Hhex0Ig6iUaSeNon-toxic apple:  https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/non-toxic/id1689965252Non-toxic substack is:https://nontoxicpodcast.substack.comNon-toxic patreon is: patreon.com/nontoxicpodcastNon-toxic IG is:@nontoxic_podcastNon-toxic X: https://twitter.com/nontoxicpodcast