"The good old days weren't always good. And tomorrow ain't as bad as it seems."

Jason and Derek got a huge amount of feedback from the previous episode discussing whether the current car market sucks for Young Enthusiasts. In this episode, the Carmudgeons discuss the feedback — and further define what the problem is — and why that results in outrageous dealer ADMs and shady sales practices.

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First up, Jason is getting beat up on his Cybertruck review — lately having been asked by CNBC whether the Tesla has a snow problem. Meanwhile — all eyes are on the Cybertruck. And our politicized environment just can't cope. 

Second, Derek got lots of feedback from 20-somethings who agreed with him that there are no cool cars post-2000 — and that their economic situation has changed sufficiently that they can't own enthusiast cars, anyway. 

Meanwhile, Jason got the opposite feedback — that things aren't that bad. 

What ensues is, as always, an intelligent discussion about the car market. And how today's economics — and lack of great choices for enthusiast — have encouraged dealers to add slimy markups, prevent buyers from test driving cars they're genuinely interested in buying, and other slimeball practices. 

In short, Jason quotes Billy Joel: "The good old days weren't always good. And tomorrow ain't as bad as it seems."

Except for dealers. Car dealers are just awful.
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