John Interviews iconic actor Ron Perlman. They talk politics, some of his legendary roles and Ron's latest movie "The Last Victim". Next John talks with Canadian writer, novelist, essayist, and cultural commentator Stephen Marche about the political divide in America, the design behind how January 6th played out, and the release of his latest book "The Next Civil War: Dispatches from the American Future". See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.