I was fortunate to travel to South Africa and meet many tech leaders in Johannesburg and Cape Town to talk about Observability, Security, Automation, Platform Engineering, DevOps and FinOps. One of those leaders is Amit Chiba, Multi Product Specialist at Nedbank. I sat down with Amit to discuss his personal journey and his projects at Nedbank, one of the leading financial institutions in South Africa. Tune in and hear from Amit how self-service platform engineering helps them to scale observability, how they tackle cloud costs and why he thinks that the future of IT Ops is more Sleep!