We meet a member of Taring Padi, the Indonesian artists' collective at the centre of an art controversy at Documenta 15, the prestigious art show held every five years in Germany. In 2022 the show was plagued by accusations of antisemitism, but the Indonesian artists say the ensuing maelstrom prevented meaningful dialogue. Featuring Alex Supertono from Taring Padi, art historian Terry Smith and academic Wulan Dirgantoro.Bertie Blackman had a free-range childhood growing up in a famous Australian art family. But there were dark points, as the title of her memoir Bohemian Negligence suggests. She talks to Daniel about her father Charles Blackman's alcoholism, and writing about the sexual abuse she suffered, committed by a family friend.