Throughout her career, Sandy Dunn has continued to mature and refine her skills. In the early days, she describes her job as a "hostage negotiator", constantly negotiating between the business teams and the security team. But as you mature, so does your approach to security. Now, Sandy talks about simplifying "knowledge management" to make it easy to understand security and becoming a "business listener" to make the right decisions. Show Notes: https://securityweekly.com/vault-bsw-6