“We have seen … the transformation of the quintessential liberal democratic state into the national security state, then the administrative state, then the surveillance state, and now the biosecurity state. At each of these developments, you have an expansion of state power, and the spread of the state tentacles into increasingly intimate areas of public life and individual life,” says Ramesh Thakur.Mr. Thakur is a former United Nations assistant secretary-general and professor emeritus of public policy at The Australian National University. Now he is a Brownstone Institute senior scholar.How has science become dogma? How do we rebuild what was broken these last few years?Views expressed in this video are opinions of the host and the guest, and do not necessarily reflect the views of The Epoch Times.