It feels like it has been forever since we had the opportunity to sit down with John Leone from ROAK, and it was four years ago on Episode 22. No longer the new guy on the block as they enter their fifth year, we take the opportunity to catch up. He brings in new President of ROAK and Dark Horse (now named Michigan Brewers Union) and we get a historical look on his journey through craft beer at Dogfish Head, BrewDog USA, and Virtue Cider. John uses the opportunity to clear the air about some misconceptions happening with the merger of the two breweries, we discuss in short what happened with the Right Brain buyout, and Adam chats about what we should see upcoming for the two breweries in the next few years. We also try some amazing ROAK beer! 00:00- Introductions 05:34- Introduction to Adam Lambert 10:30- Cent'Anni Review 16:14- Dark Horse Acquisition 22:08- Craft Beer Loyalty 29:10- Michigan's Craft Beer Problem 40:56- Mint Milkshake IPA Review 44:40- Upcoming Changes at Dark Horse 55:20- Drinking At Home 57:54- Beer Crazes and IPA Builds 1:11:34- Giving Your Old Self Wisdom 1:14:03- Right Brain Buyout Falling Through 1:17:26- Beer Festival Fatigue 1:28:43- Blow Your Face Out Review 1:32:53- Final Thoughts Sponsors: North Center Brewing - https://northcenterbrewing.com/ Zetouna Liquor - https://www.facebook.com/Zetouna-Liquor-Fine-Wine-Cigars-146021445420374/ Join The Michigan Beer Discord - https://discord.gg/vEEDyzwdjT Download the MI Beer Map - http://www.mibeermap.com Subscribe to Better on Draft - https://plnk.to/BOD Spotify - https://open.spotify.com/show/6AlzP1BH0iykayF856bGRc?si=xXZzdd3CTPqgUq_KYTnBKg iTunes - https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/better-on-draft-a-craft-beer-podcast/id1091124740 Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/betterondraft Untappd - https://www.untappd.com/bodpodcast YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/c/betterondraft Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/betterondraft Twitter - https://www.twitter.com/betterondraft DRANK ON SHOW BAD Brewing Grape Cider 3 Floyds BA Behemoth (Willett) 2017 ROAK Brewing Cent'Anni ROAK Brewing French Toast Devil Dog ROAK Brewing Blow Your Face Out ROAK Brewing Mint Milkshake IPA Modern Times Orderville Corona Extra