Nick and Rob needed a break so we brought Ed in here to chat with Brian and Eric from Phillips Orchards. Eric is a former brewer at Ozones and Brian's family has owned the orchards for over 160 years! We discuss the want to get into the hard cider game, the competition, and how they have been doing since they opened in March. Eric talks about bringing his brand of beer making into cider making and they discuss the future of what you can (and can't do) with a winemakers license. Learn more by listening to the show! Subscribe to our podcast at http://playpodca.st/betterondraft Don’t forget to listen to us live every Friday at 7pm EST on Facebook Live. We are also on your Spotify too! https://open.spotify.com/show/0rofqU5VHPmEjcGLwJbocm If you have a minute, please feel free to rate us on iTunes, we would truly appreciate it! https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/better-on-draft-a-craft-beer-podcast/id1091124740?mt=2 www.twitter.com/betterondraft www.facebook.com/betterondraft www.untappd.com/bodpodcast www.youtube.com/c/betterondraft www.instagram.com/betterondraft SPOTIFY- https://open.spotify.com/show/0rofqU5VHPmEjcGLwJbocm