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Tune in as comedian Mike Birbiglia, also our resident Swiftie expert and anti-hero, explains the Taylor Swift phenomenon to Paul and Stephen.

Also, why is TikTok so addictive, and which host shares this obsession with Birbigs and 420 million Gen Zers? Then, how to talk to your kids about death and scary stuff (hint - don’t ask Paul!). Hear about Birbigs’ new Netflix special Old Man & The Pool, his sleepwalking disorder, and his fascination and fear of bears. And don’t sleep on his beliefs surrounding all things paranormal. Hint: Ghosts, UFOs, aliens, Sasquatch, and Nessie. It’s all in the realm of possibility!

Paul Giamatti is an award-winning actor and producer. Stephen Asma is a professor and author specializing in the philosophy of science, religion, and art.

Mike Birbiglia is a comedian, actor, storyteller, director, producer, and writer. His podcast Working it Out is available wherever you get your podcasts, and his hit Broadway show Old Man & The Pool is now his latest Netflix comedy special of the same name.

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