YouTube Link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XdDM8YyV7RA
Jesse Michels probes UAPs, David Grusch's claims of ufology, venture capital, and the private investment tied to this all. Listen now early and ad-free on Patreon https://patreon.com/curtjaimungal.
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LINKS MENTIONED:
- Doc w/ David Grusch on Jesse Michels (YouTube): https://youtu.be/kRO5jOa06Qw
- Jesse Michels (YouTube Channel): https://www.youtube.com/@JesseMichels
- A New Kind of Science (Stephen Wolfram): https://amzn.to/45C3yNP
- Things Hidden Since the Foundation of the World (René Girard): https://amzn.to/490VKb6
- Conspiracy (Ryan Holiday): https://amzn.to/3S4w6fH
- Zero to One (Peter Thiel and Blake Masters): https://amzn.to/45AneBE
- The Man Who Mastered Gravity (Paul Shotskin): https://amzn.to/3Q9e7SW
- Podcast w/ Neil deGrasse Tyson on TOE: https://youtu.be/HhWWlJFwTqs
- Podcast w/ Ross Coulthart on TOE: https://youtu.be/MQnGcX7oxms
- Documentary on connections in the 1950s with quantum gravity research and anti-gravity or UFOs: https://youtu.be/eBA3RUxkZdc
- Podcast w/ Jacques Vallee on TOE: https://youtu.be/uVo51khU8AE
- News Nation Interview with Ross: https://youtu.be/x_9gTDXF9Vc
- UFOs and Nukes documentary: https://youtu.be/jyTKETcxj0M
- The Hunt for Zero Point (Nick Cook): https://amzn.to/3rPkUZQ
- The Stars Are Too High (Agnew Banson): https://amzn.to/408nMNZ
- Podcast w/ Hal Puthoff on Jesse's channel: https://youtu.be/iQOibpIDx-4
- Podcast w/ Avi Loeb on TOE: https://youtu.be/4j5S_-MCWq4
- Podcast w/ Leslie Kane on TOE: https://youtu.be/j1fN5Gxm9fk
- Podcast w/ Jeffrey Mishlove on TOE: https://youtu.be/VFpHk9WqCrY
- Why the Soylent Green Creator Went to Goat Farm: https://youtu.be/HUGNqAyBUDw
- Podcast w/ Ross Coulthart on TOE (Part 1): https://youtu.be/JM3kxeU_oDE
- Podcast w/ John Greenwald on TOE: https://youtu.be/NzXPsWQqoYw
- Theo Von's channel: https://youtu.be/1cziCepYeEM?t=4673
- Podcast w/ Joscha Bach on TOE: https://youtu.be/3MNBxfrmfmI
- Podcast w/ Michael Levin on TOE: https://youtu.be/Z0TNfysTazc

TIMESTAMPS:
- 00:00:55 Interviewing David Grusch...
- 00:09:00 The fight against misinformation in UFO studies
- 00:13:07 The intersection of consciousness and parapsychology
- 00:16:24 String theory and what physics is
- 00:20:46 Jesse's relationship with Grusch
- 00:25:59 Reverse engineering programs (the greatest PSYOP of all time)
- 00:37:00 Oppenheimer's involvement in UFO research?
- 00:51:00 Theories behind UFO crashes
- 01:20:00 Lessons from investment failures
- 01:41:53 UFOs and the private sector (the Wilson memo and AATIP)
- 01:50:01 Unseen parts of the Grusch interview (Roger Penrose's theory, multiverses)
- 02:03:05 The best evidence for UFOs
- 02:10:23 The mystery of Edward Leedskallen (Coral Stone Park)
- 02:22:08 Anomalies pointing to new scientific paradigms
- 02:35:03 Catastrophic predictions for 2024 from Grusch (what did he mean?)
- 02:38:32 Criticism from Avi Loeb
- 02:52:59 Advice for studying the phenomenon
- 03:00:17 Curt's disappointment in UFO "revelations" lacking tangible evidence
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