First, Rebecca Ford talks to the two costume designers of Killers of the Flower Moon, who might have seemed like an unlikely duo — West, a veteran Hollywood costume designer, and O'Keefe, a member of the Osage Nation and experienced product manager — but teamed up to create some of the year's most stunning costumes. Then, David Canfield talks to Cynthia Erivo about the big leaps she took to make Drift, a moving independent film in which she stars as a Liberian refugee and also produces. 

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