Erwin Raphael McManus is passionate about unlocking the spiritual and creative potential of human beings. Whether it’s his work as a pastor, author, speaker, coach, or designer, Erwin constantly demonstrates the capacity for growth, change, and ability to impact the world around him. In this conversation with CEO, writer, and executive coach (and a long-time friend) Jason Jaggard, Erwin shares the relationship between our mental structures and our behaviors, why talent can actually be a curse, and even a creative response to the challenge of Artificial Intelligence. Whether you consider yourself a leader, a creative, a spiritual seeker, or something else (or all of these), this conversation will give you insights for how to grow into your own genius.