In this bonus episode, Janet McCabe talks with Scott Russell Sanders, who Kathleen Dean Moore described as "an honest man in a time of lies, a wise man in a time of foolishness, a healer in a time of wounds, and a beautiful writer in a time of ugly rants." He taught English at Indiana University and is the celebrated author of more than 20 books including a collection of essays called The Way of Imagination. We talk with him about that most difficult subject of solving our environmental challenges, about his most recent book, and about the wisdom he's accumulated over the years. If you want to reach out with feedback on an episode or with an idea or a pitch, you can send an email to itcpod@indiana.edu. You can also follow us on social media. Our handle is @thisclimatepod. And last but not least, you can leave us a review! It not only helps us, but it helps other listeners find us, and everybody appreciates that.