In the world of law and order, it’s not always as black and white as one might think. Recently on the "Hidden Killers" podcast, host Tony Brueski had an enlightening conversation with Robin Dreeke, a retired FBI Special Agent and Chief of the Counterintelligence Behavioral Analysis Program. They delved deep into the murky waters of ethics, especially regarding Alex Murdaugh's trial and the actions of the Clerk of Court, Rebecca Hill.
 
 Rebecca Hill, while holding her role since 2020, has been a part of the court system for many years. Yet, her tenure as the Clerk of Court has not been without controversy. The hosts speculated whether her background and the prevailing culture in South Carolina's courts led her to take actions that many would deem unethical. Tony commented, "It does make you wonder if there's just so much of that going on in South Carolina... most people not only do they participate in it, but maybe they are unaware that this is not the norm."
 
 The podcast discussed how certain practices might be deeply entrenched in a system, making it difficult for newcomers to discern right from wrong. Tony drew a parallel from his experience in music radio, where record labels would directly pay to get certain songs aired. "It wasn't even talked about as being wrong," he said, emphasizing how sometimes unethical behavior becomes normalized if seen regularly.
 
 Dreeke provided insight into how a continuous pattern of unethical actions for personal gain, especially when widely accepted, could blur one's understanding of legality. "When unethical behaviors become the norm because everyone's doing it, you start believing and rationalize your own behavior when you're self-serving," he mentioned. The discussion pointed towards a larger issue of people not recognizing their actions as unethical, especially if it aligns with their self-opinion.
 
 However, what was perhaps most alarming was the speculation around Hill’s trajectory in the system. The hosts contemplated that unethical behaviors might not just erupt spontaneously. Instead, there could have been a progression, starting with minor infringements eventually leading up to something as serious as jury tampering. Tony posed the question, "Where did this begin? What were the first steps of unethical behavior that led to this extreme?"
 
 As the conversation progressed, Dreeke emphasized the critical difference between unethical and illegal, noting that people often tread the line carefully. Yet, in Hill's case, the line might have been inadvertently crossed. He mentioned, "if you were to interview her and ask her and put her on a polygraph... she's not going to say no."
 
 The bigger concern arising from their discussion was the lack of checks and balances in place. Dreeke was surprised at the apparent absence of a clear policy regarding court officials writing books or publicizing ongoing trials. Drawing from his experience in the FBI, he elaborated on the stringent procedures he underwent before publishing any material.
 
 Tony wrapped up the conversation by addressing the fundamental issue of public trust. "The taxpayers are paying her salary, and that's not what she's paid to do," he said, highlighting the need for transparency and accountability, especially in roles that serve the public.
 
 The episode offered a deep dive into the challenges and complexities of the legal system. As Brueski and Dreeke peeled back the layers, listeners were left with a profound understanding of how crucial ethics are, not just in law but in every profession. If anything, this discussion emphasized the importance of introspection, education, and reform in the broader system.
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