*Note: This is roughly 75% of the conversation. To listen to the entire episode, subscribe to the show on Patreon for as little as $5 a month* Friend of the podcast Frances Hasso (@nasawiyya) and Minoo Moallem, a professor at UC Berkeley, had a conversation about Persian carpets as commodities and more than commodities, Iran, Islamophobia, diasporic loss, feminism, patriarchy, culture, and the making and unmaking of theory and area studies. Watch the video edition on The East is a Podcast YouTube channel  The digital project Nation on the Move may be found here: http://vectors.usc.edu/projects/index.php?project=83; The essay on the prayer carpet: https://mavcor.yale.edu/sites/default/files/article_pdf/moallem_minoo_pdf.pdf; The new project on carpet artists: https://www.famsf.org/stories/weaving-connections-carpet-art-community-environment; The Meridians article, "Race, Gender, and Religion: Islamophobia and Beyond”: https://read.dukeupress.edu/meridians/article-abstract/20/2/271/296649/Race-Gender-and-ReligionIslamophobia-and-Beyond Support www.patreon.com/east_podcast