In an interview recorded on July 29, Greg Olear talks to fascism expert Ruth Ben-Ghiat, author of “Strongmen: Mussolini to the Present” and the “Lucid” Substack, about the nature of coups, lessons from Berlusconi, the rise of Hitler, DeSantis as fascist, the extremist Texas GOP, secessions, the trucker convoy and the fascist threats in Canada, Meloni in Italy, the Vox party in Spain, and the power of nonviolent protest. Plus: Clash of the titan.Follow Ruth:https://twitter.com/ruthbenghiatSubscribe to Lucid:https://lucid.substack.com/Buy “Strongmen”:https://wwnorton.com/books/9781324001546Thanks HelloFresh! Go to http://HelloFresh.com/50prevail and use code 50prevail for 50% off  plus 15% off the next 2 months!Subscribe to the PREVAIL newsletter:https://gregolear.substack.com/aboutWould you like to tell us more about you? http://survey.podtrac.com/start-survey.aspx?pubid=BffJOlI7qQcF&ver=short. *