It’s another round of intense national security wonkery on today’s Remnant, but this time, Jonah’s joined by an overdue first-timer rather than a returning favorite. His guest is Robert D. Kaplan, a prolific writer on foreign policy and author of the new book, The Loom of Time, which explores the state of politics in the Greater Middle East and makes the case for a realist approach to the region. But what does foreign policy realism look like in practice? What kind of shape is democracy in around the world? And what does the future hold for today’s great powers?

Show Notes:
- Robert’s webpage
- Robert’s new book, The Loom of Time: Between Empire and Anarchy, from the Mediterranean to China
- Robert: “Order After Empire: The Roots of Instability in the Middle East”
- Robert: “Will America Share Rome’s Fate?”
- Frederick Kagan: “Biden Could Have Stopped the Taliban. He Chose Not To.”
- Orlando Figes’ The Story of Russia
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