Sho Alli and Ben Shulman break down the Blue Jays' 5-4 loss to the Cubs at the Rogers Centre. They take your calls and texts, and get to the pinch-hit situation with Santiago Espinal late in this one - was it the right move, and has Espinal done enough recently to change the conversation about his major league status once Bo Bichette returns? Plus, Jordan Hicks gives up the game-losing hit - what is his status in the 'circle of trust', and was it just a bad outing for him? Afterwards, they chat about the Level of Excellence - who deserves to go in next after José Bautista? The views and opinions expressed in this podcast are those of the hosts and guests and do not necessarily reflect the position of Rogers Sports & Media or any affiliates.