Bret and Matt welcome special guest Brendan Burns, CVP Azure Cloud Native & Resource Management, and also a founding member of the Kubernetes project.Because Brendan is one of the three original co-founders of the Kubernetes project back in 2013 at Google, he's a little bit internet famous in open source and Cloud Native. So I was a little nervous going into this because I had so many questions. We took some live questions as we always do from YouTube live, and I thought it was a really great episode of a little mix of talking about Azure and some of the things you can do with containers, some of the things they're working on, some of the things that he's focused on that we haven't seen yet. We talk about AI and how that relates to some of these things. We even talk about WASM or WebAssembly, one of my favorite topics of the last year, because that's important so it was great to get his perspective. And I think my favorite part of the show is where we really talk about the next layers of abstraction, or maybe even the ways that we can deploy to Kubernetes or make it simpler to manage and deploy to. And that's been a real challenge for the community ever since Kubernetes was created in making it more accessible to more people, without it being so complex to manage and deal with underneath. And Brendan has some really great views on what it's going to take it to get us there.Live recording of the complete show from June 15, 2023 is on YouTube (Ep. #221).★Topics★Ways to run containers on AzureDaprWebAssembly on Azure KubernetesWasmtimeTwelve-Factor AppSupport this show and get exclusive benefits on Patreon, YouTube, or bretfisher.com!★Join my Community★Get on the waitlist for my next live course on CI automation and gitops deploymentsBest coupons for my Docker and Kubernetes coursesChat with us and fellow students on our Discord Server DevOps FansGrab some merch at Bret's Loot BoxHomepage bretfisher.comCreators & Guests

Bret Fisher - Host

Cristi Cotovan - Editor

Beth Fisher - Producer

Matt Williams - Host

Brendan Burns - Guest


(00:00) - Intro
(03:10) - Introducing Brendan
(08:47) - Advice for starting to run containers
(30:30) - Reducing complexity with AI
(34:41) - Addressing DevOps fatigue
(42:38) - Running WebAssembly on Kubernetes
(54:23) - LTS Linux Distributions
(59:28) - What's next after containers and orchestration?