Independent verification and validation (IV&V) is a significant step in the process of deploying systems for mission-critical applications in the Department of Defense (DoD). In this podcast from the Carnegie Mellon University Software Engineering Institute (SEI), Justin Smith, senior Agile transformation leader in the SEI Software Solutions Division, talks with principal researcher Suzanne Miller about how to bring concepts from Lean and Agile software development into the practice of IV&V. Smith describes his experiences at NASA’s Katherine Johnson IV&V Facility as a project manager for the Orion IV&V team. On that project, the developer employed Scaled Agile Framework (SAFe) as their development process, which had challenging consequences for established IV&V practices within NASA IV&V. Smith also discusses the ways in which NASA adapted to this change and describes strategies and tactics for reconciling Agile and IV&V.