We are welcoming a true Old School legend to the pod, Kathy Vavrick-O'Brien of Survivor: Marquesas and Survivor: All-Stars! We talk to Kathy about how she got on Survivor's fourth season, the brutal survival conditions in her seasons, her broken final two deal with Vecepia, how her relationship with Boston Rob was impacted by All-Stars, the state of the game today and whether she would return to play in the Legends season! Plus she tells us what Richard Hatch smuggled into All-Stars and all the graphic details of how he did it.
 
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