In this episode, the tables are turned! In this HIGHLY requested episode, Vanessa joins the podcast not as a guest but as a host to interview Clayton himself!

Clayton is a passionate language learner with a long history of both learning AND teaching languages. Clayton's passion for language learning carries into his position with Refold, where he manages the official community of over 40K members on Discord, hosts this Podcast, and coaches learners on how to reach success in their language journeys.

Listen in as Vanessa dives deep into Clayton's lore and explores Clayton's history with languages, teaching, and his Refold origin story.