In a riveting episode of the "Hidden Killers" podcast, host Tony Brueski explored the enigmatic case of Bryan Kohberger, a criminal justice graduate student accused of committing a heinous crime: the murder of four college students. To gain further perspective, Brueski invited Deborah Ahrens, a former public defender and current Professor of Law at Seattle U School of Law, to discuss the complex aspects of this case.
 
 The striking narrative put forward by Ahrens draws an eerie parallel between the case and the plot of the 2002 movie "Murder by Numbers," in which two highly intelligent high school students devise the 'perfect' murder. Ahrens proposed a theory that Kohberger, deeply embedded in the study of criminal justice, may have attempted a similar tactic. She stated, "The state's theory it looks like is probably going to be that that's exactly what, what he was trying to do - get away with a perfect murder and try to use some of the knowledge he has about how police track people to evade detection."
 
 Nevertheless, the burning question that both Ahrens and Brueski grappled with, a question that lingers in the minds of the public as well, is what led Kohberger down this chilling path. The discussion delved into the various breadcrumbs of Kohberger's past, such as his writings online and a growing sense of disconnection from family and friends. Yet, as Ahrens remarked, these signs do not definitively lead to such violent acts, given that the vast majority of people who feel isolated or disconnected never resort to violence.
 
 The podcast episode further examined Kohberger's interactions within the academic world, where he was a master's student and teaching assistant. Ahrens suggested that the ways in which some people have described his interactions as being "off" might be more indicative of his attitudes, presenting yet another breadcrumb leading to the understanding of Kohberger's character.
 
 One of the key topics of discussion was the early statement made by Kohberger's assigned public defender, Ann Taylor, who stated that her client looks forward to being exonerated. This sparked debate, with Ahrens questioning the choice to release such a strong statement so early in the process.

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