Today’s guest is JD Gardner, CIO & Founder of Aptus Capital Advisors, which provides risk-managed strategies designed to help clients stay invested through market cycles. Today’s episode has an overarching theme that can be summarized by a quote from JD himself: "A strategy's return is much less important than an investor's return while exposed to the strategy." JD explains how they provide solutions to help bridge the behavioral gap and use options provide investors with income and downside protection so investors don’t capitulate at the exact wrong time. JD also spends some time discussing the OCIO part of the business and lessons working with advisors in that capacity.  ----- Follow Meb on Twitter, LinkedIn and YouTube For detailed show notes, click here To learn more about our funds and follow us, subscribe to our mailing list or visit us at cambriainvestments.com ----- Today's episode is sponsored by Future Proof. Future Proof, The World’s Largest Wealth Festival, is coming back to Huntington Beach on September 10-13th!  New in 2023 is Breakthru Meetings Program – which will be facilitating more than 10,000 1-on-1 meetings. Financial Advisors and LPs, get your ticket FREE plus a $750 reimbursement by applying for the hosted meetings program by the August 15th deadline. Today’s episode is sponsored by The Idea Farm. The Idea Farm gives you access to over $100,000 worth of investing research, the kind usually read by only the world’s largest institutions, funds, and money managers. Subscribe for free here. Follow The Idea Farm: Twitter | LinkedIn | Instagram | Tik Tok ----- Interested in sponsoring the show? Email us at Feedback@TheMebFaberShow.com ----- Past guests include Ed Thorp, Richard Thaler, Jeremy Grantham, Joel Greenblatt, Campbell Harvey, Ivy Zelman, Kathryn Kaminski, Jason Calacanis, Whitney Baker, Aswath Damodaran, Howard Marks, Tom Barton, and many more.  ----- Meb's invested in some awesome startups that have passed along discounts to our listeners. Check them out here!