In this episode of As In Heaven, Jim Davis and Mike Aitcheson welcome Jen Wilkin to discuss the importance of seeing and honoring women's gifts and abilities in the church as it pertains to dechurching in America. When understanding God's design for the roles of women in the church, it is important that we seek to honor and value women in the midst of seeking biblical fidelity and clarity. Jen Wilkin shares several personal stories from both positive and negative experiences as well as stories of how The Village Church came to draft their shorter and longer position papers on the role of women in the church.Episode time stamps:Episode and guest introduction (0:00)Core for idols male pastors to work through in order to lead a healthy church (7:06)What does it look like for women to flourish in the church? (21:30)The process of writing The Village Church position papers (24:23)Why clarity is kind and why it matters (30:54)Why listening is so important in spiritual formation (33:59)