Just hours after North Korea destroyed the tunnels at its Punggye-Ri nuclear test site in front of an audience of international reporters, U.S. President Donald Trump issued a formal letter calling off direct talks between himself and North Korean leader Kim Jong Un scheduled for June 12 in Singapore.

For more insight on these latest moves and if the summit is in fact off for good, we sit down with Stratfor Senior Vice President of Strategic Analysis Rodger Baker and Asia-Pacific Analyst Evan Rees in this episode of the Stratfor Podcast.