Happy July Fourth, Americans, and happy Tuesday to the rest of planet Earth. Today, the production staff of The Gist is off for the holiday, but we threw together a couple “independence” themed archival segments, so you'd have something to listen to at the beach once the couple sitting next to you stops arguing about their failed "open relationship." First up is Mike’s 2014 interview with Craig McAllister about the failed Scottish independence referendum of that year. Then we listen back to our 2017 interview with historian Gordon S. Wood about his book Friends Divided: John Adams and Thomas Jefferson. 
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