Transitioning the world to cleaner forms of energy will require a significant infrastructure transformation. World Bank released a new framework on April 20 for overcoming the challenges created, particularly in developing countries, as renewable energy scales up and fossil fuel generation is phased down. For this episode, Energy Evolution spoke with Demetrios Papathanasiou, the organization's global director for energy and extractives. View the full report here: https://www.worldbank.org/en/topic/energy/publication/scaling-up-to-phase-down  Energy Evolution co-hosts Dan Testa and Taylor Kuykendall are veteran journalists with broad expertise covering the energy and mining sectors. They are joined by correspondents Camellia Moors and Camilla Naschert, reporters who write about mining and power issues for S&P Global Commodity Insights. Subscribe to Energy Evolution on your favorite platform to catch our latest episodes!