This episode from the now found lost hard drive of Bad at Sports. SF based not all the time photographer and conceptual artist Phillip Maisel! From a NADA NYC of the past we share this great chat about aesthetics, photography, formalism, and the construction of an image  with Amanda Browder and Duncan MacKenzie, live from inside a Claire Ashley! Big thanks to Martin for editing support. In the intro Duncan talks about Bad at Sports's friends at Carol Fox hooking B@S with tickets for "The Empire Strips Back" and how we don't really know how to judge or make sense of it but we all had a delightful time. Also 2 out of the 4 of us lamented that they did not purchase the "Wookie Playboy" magazines. So that would make a kind Xmas present for the podcast.   Philip Maisel – https://www.phillipmaisel.com/ Document and Aron Gent – https://documentspace.com/ Amanda Browder - https://www.amandabrowder.com/ NADA - https://www.newartdealers.org/ Martin Ortiz de Taranco - https://www.martinortizdetaranco.com/ Claire Ashley - https://clairehelenashley.com/ The Empire Strips Back - https://theempirestripsback.com/ Carol Fox and Associates - https://www.carolfoxassociates.com/   Image c/o Phillip Maisel  Encants (5184) Archival pigment print 25.5 x 17” / 65 x 43 cm 2020