Ben Terris, author of “The Big Break: The Gamblers, Party Animals, and True Believers Trying to Win in Washington While America Loses Its Mind,” joins Jordan for a fun chat about the characters, stories and insights in his new book. The conversation ranges from an oil tycoon’s granddaughter funding progressive politics to a right wing lobbyist faking it until he makes it. We also talk about disgraced face of CPAC Matt Schlapp’s role in DC and how Sean McElwee’s gambling habit, in part, got him pushed out of Data for Progress.Before Jordan’s conversation with Ben, Rob and Jordan discuss the wildfires in Canada and how Americans’ dismissive attitudes about it (that it’s either some grand conspiracy or “just arson” ultimately miss the point). And Donald Trump gets indicted again. Will anything happen this time?The Big Break is available here.To become a subscriber (paid intern!) to the Insurgents and gain access to an additional episode every week, you can subscribe at InsurgentsPod.com or, if you’re on Substack, simply click this button:Our most recent premium episode with Ken Klippenstein on the RFK Jr. and Cornel West presidential campaigns, third parties, the DHS cribbing Andy Ngo’s reporting, the debt ceiling and more is available here:You can find The Insurgents elsewhere on…YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@TheInsurgents/ | Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/theinsurgentspod/ | Twitter: https://twitter.com/insurgentspod | TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@insurgentspod | This is a public episode. If you’d like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit www.insurgentspod.com/subscribe