In episode 54 of The Product Design Podcast, Seth Coelen interviews Sheryl Cababa, Author of Closing the Loop: Systems Thinking For Designers and Chief Strategy Officer at Substantial. Her book dives into how powerful a systems thinking mindset is for designers and provides tools and frameworks to help define the systems that surround your work.During our chat, Sheryl provides us with an overview of the three concepts of systems thinking for designers, the cascading impact and barriers of systems thinking, and her take on the shortcomings of user-centered design. This episode will help you think deeper about the impact of the products you work on and understand the systems and context that can surround your design decisions.During our interview with Sheryl, you will learn:✍️ Sheryl's journey into design? How Sheryl landed a job at Microsoft?Three concepts of systems thinking for designers? Cascading impact and barriers of systems thinking? Sheryl's take on the shortcomings of user-centered design? How to bring systems thinking to your organization? If you enjoyed this episode, please like and subscribe so we can keep making content for you good people!? Don't forget to read our blog and sign up for reminders when new episodes will be available!Make sure to follow Sheryl after the podcast to stay on top of what she is up to!Where to find SherylTwitter: @sherylcababaLinkedIn: Sheryl CababaBlog Website: https://medium.com/@SherylCababaClosing the Loop: Systems Thinking for DesignersCoupon code: cababa-pdp