Joe spoke with Erik Wasson, Bloomberg Congress reporter and Maya MacGuineas, Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget President about the debt ceiling crisis, and Hudson Institute Senior Fellow Rebeccah Heinrichs on Ukraine weapons aid. Plus, our politics panel, Bloomberg Politics Contributors Jeanne Sheehan Zaino and Rick Davis on what's next in the standoff over the debt limit, and President Biden orders from Ghostburger to commemorate 10.5 million small business applications since the start of his presidency. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.