The podcast shifts from writer to director and we are delighted to be joined by Jen McGowan.She tells us her journey into directing, how winning an award early in her career changed her view of Hollywood and the importance of setting expectations.We compare boxing and the entertainment industry, the importance of an outlet for anger and frustration and how she deals with rejection and failure.Jen talks about diversity in the industry, how much things have changed since she began and why her acting career didn't pan out.And why being told to 'expect to be poor for ten years' set her up for success.A fascinating interview with a candid guest exploring a different part of Hollywood.