On a special episode, we push Noah Evslin into the guest hot seat and the creator of the world's most successful scripted podcast Paul Bae joins as co-host.Noah talks about his experience of rejection, failure and adversity. He talks about the risks of leaving the relatively safe world of producing in Shondaland to push forward with writing elsewhere, the continual fear that you never know if you'll work again and his  enjoyment of the process of creating.He explains what he has learned about the industry and rejection from this podcast, Paul tells us some classic stories of Hollywood meanness and even Dan shares a story of rejection about being made redundant.A different approach to the classic themes of rejection, failure and adversity in a one-off special.