"A sadist and a masochist walk into a podcast, the masochist says 'hurt me', the sadist says 'no'" Our laughter at such a scene conveys our habitual association between violence and possession, De Sade and Sacher-Masoch, or to take them in their 20th century philosophical champions: Georges Bataille and Gilles Deleuze. How are Sadism and Masochism problems not only of psychology, but logical problems of philosophy and the limits of reason? How does the economy of each relation to one's self and the other pose not only ethical, but political and ecological problems for thought today? Adam, Craig, and Noah are joined by researcher Tiger Liu, who recently finished a graduate dissertation on Masochism, psychoanalysis,  and General Economy to discuss the legacies of this conjecture, and the new lines of flight that can be revealed in light of Sacher-Masoch and his legacy.Support the podcast:Linktree: https://linktr.ee/acidhorizonAcid Horizon on Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/acidhorizonpodcastZer0 Books and Repeater Media Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/zer0repeaterMerch: http://www.crit-drip.comOrder 'The Philosopher's Tarot': https://repeaterbooks.com/product/the-philosophers-tarot/Subscribe to us on Apple Podcasts: https://tinyurl.com/169wvvhiHappy Hour at Hippel's (Adam’s blog): https://happyhourathippels.wordpress.com​Revolting Bodies (Will's Blog): https://revoltingbodies.com​Split Infinities (Craig’s Substack): https://splitinfinities.substack.com/​Music: https://sereptie.bandcamp.com/ and https://thecominginsurrection.bandcamp.com/Support the show