Our guest on this episode is Jack Bates of Smashing Pumpkins and also Peter Hook & The Light. We talk a bit about sports for a while, which is a first on the podcast I'm pretty sure. Then, we get around to talking about music, playing bass, touring, and life in the time of Covid. I had a great time speaking with Jack and I hope you enjoy this conversation as much as I did!  If you enjoy the Couch Riffs podcast and/or videos please consider supporting us with a monthly pledge of as little as .99/month. You can follow the link below or visit anchor.fm/couch-riffs. Don't forget to leave a 5-star rating and a review, as well! This goes a long way in keeping us in the charts and enabling us to continue getting great guests on the show, like Jack! Visit couchriffs.com to find all of our content and a link to our Etsy store where our super cozy 100% cotton t-shirts and trucker hats are for sale year round. All of our great merchandise is printed by Ink Brigade in Portland OR. Thank you for listening and for your continued support!  --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/couch-riffs/message Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/couch-riffs/support