Ehren talks about his studies of South American Indigenous cultures, the ugly realities of colonization and how this inspired him to explore plant medicines. He shared about his initial post-psychedelic experience of narcissism as a reaction to the overwhelming nature of this profound event in his life and his sense of mission. This led to him making changes motivated by the rejection of those around him. It ultimately taught him about himself and helped him to begin to grow in a more positive direction. We discuss how narcissistic themes are apparent in our society and that recognizing this helps us to grow as well. We talk about darker medicine experiences and different perspectives on these events and their value. Ehren shares about his spiritual ally and we discuss how this experience of guidance can be powerfully supportive in self-discovery and personal growth. Ehren and I talk about parenthood and how we are changing the patterns of parenting that were laid down for generations before us. We reflect on the positive impact this is having in our world because of the growing number of people who are transforming their lives in this way and healing ancestral trauma.