As parliament debates the bills related to crime in the Queen's Speech, Matt Chorley speaks to Shadow Domestic Violence Minister Jess Philips, Former Durham Chief Constable Mike Barton and the Times' Crime Correspondent John Simpson about Labour and the government's plans to tackle crime, and where the real threats to society lie. PLUSLibby Purves and Rachel Sylvester discuss moral superiority.  Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.