Ray MacManus from the Binder podcast talks with Jamie and Hayley from Palimpsest about horror, gothic storytelling, and growing up haunted. Binder uses art as a catalyst to talk about big ideas, bringing people together through complex conversations and personal stories to create the connections that lift our entire community. Hosted by CMA writer-in-residence Ray McManus and produced by the Columbia Museum of Art, Binder brings you audio storytelling with writers, artists, scholars, curators, and more. Binder is engineered and edited by Drew Baron. Find out more here: https://www.columbiamuseum.org/binder