Jon joins Immune to discuss the research of his laboratory on understanding how the innate immune system recognizes and responds to pathogens, and his hypothesis that infection infidelities drive innate immunity. Hosts: Vincent Racaniello, Cynthia Leifer, Steph Langel, and Brianne Barker Guest: Jonathan C. Kagan Subscribe (free): Apple Podcasts, Google Podcasts. RSS, email Become a patron of Immune! Links for this episode MicrobeTV Discord Server Approaching the asymptote (Cold Spring Harb Symp Quant Biol) Infection infidelities drive innate immunity (Science) Time stamps by Jolene. Thanks! Music by Steve Neal. Immune logo image by Blausen Medical Send your immunology questions and comments to immune@microbe.tv