This week, Francis speaks with friend of the show and defense journalist Kelsey Atherton (@athertonkd) about the recent phenomenon of balloon interceptions. What’s the deal with these balloons–what is the technology involved, how come we’re just hearing about it now, and should we be concerned about a balloon-centric conflict in the future? Check out Kelsey’s substack here: https://athertonkd.substack.com/ Like Hell of a Way? Check out our Patreon and get hundreds of hours of bonus content dating all the way back to 2017: www.patreon.com/hellofawaytodie *SPECIAL ANNOUNCEMENT* We now have a storefront to sell the patches, buttons, and magnets that we also give out as flair for our $10 tier. Buy some sweet gear here: https://www.hellofawaytodie.com/shop We have a YouTube channel now -- subscribe here and get sweet videos from us in which we yell in our cars like true veterans: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCwlHZpNTz-h6aTeQiJrEDKw You can follow the show on Twitter here: @HellOfAWay Follow Nate here: @inthesedeserts Follow Francis here: @ArmyStrang